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A brief look at UK Education

Over the last few weeks I've noticed just how different the UK educational system is from the American one.

Apart from being an ex-consumer (and paying attention to the news) I'm not an expert but I'll try to describe how it works:

Pre-18:
Most schools in Britain are supported by the state. It should be noted that one cause of confusion to people not from the UK is that a "public" school means a private school. They're called "public" schools because private schools were originally charities (legally, most still are). Only the rich send their children to private schools -- most people (including middle class parents) would send their children to state schools.

State Sector:
There are two basic forms to the state sector:

Primary/Secondary: Primary: 5-11, Secondary 11-16/18
Lower/Middle/Upper: Lower 5-8, Middle 8-13, Upper 13-16/18

The year you are in is solely based on your date of birth and it's which side of 1st September your birthday is on.

It used to be the case that school was compulsory until 16 but the last Government talked about making school compulsory until 18. I'm not sure if that was implemented.

Main exams:
GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education): Normally taken at 16 but can be taken any time since. This is normally 8-12 subjects and employers normally expect 5+ passes. Grades are A-G (A[1] is good, G is bad) and a pass is considered to be C or higher.[2] Most schools take 2 acedemic years to teach GCSEs.

After GCSE:
After the learner[3] has passed their GCSEs they have choose whether they want to study vocational qualifications, acedemic qualifications or a mixture of both.

There are literally 1000s of vocational qualifications and 99% of them would not help a person who wanted to go on to study a degree.

The main acedemic qualification is the A-Level and AS-Level. The AS-Level is half an A-Level. it's meant to have the same acedemic rigour but only half the topics are covered. People generally study 2-4 A-Levels (taking two years). Passing grades are from A-F.[4]

If the learner wishes to go on to unverisity/college of higher education the normal route is to apply whilst they are studying for their A/AS-Levels. However, a person can apply to study any time thereafter (whilst a learner is studying their A-Levels is the earliest they can apply). They will apply through UCAS.[5] On the form they will list all the courses and institutions they are interested in (there is a limited number allowed) -- e.g. Engineering at University of Bristol, Mechanical Engineering at De Montford University and Engineering at De Montford University would count as 3 choices.[6] However, a learner can apply for fewer courses/instituations if they wish.

Most universities would then interview the students they feel would be a good fit there (from my understanding of the different systems, what student does in their private life, e.g. hobbies, is, compared to the US system, more important in the UK -- British universities tend to prefer people who are "well rounded").

After the interview the institution, if they are still intersted in that student they will make an offer. This offer may be conditional (e.g. "if you want to come here we'll accept you if you get 2 Bs and a C"). If the student impresses their interview and/or they already have passed their A-Levels they may get an unconditional offer (i.e. the institution will accept that student without any further conditons).

Once the learner has received all the offers they then have to choose a "firm" offer and, if they wish, an insurance offer. If the learner achieves the grades necessary to get into their firm offer then they will be starting at that institution at the time they said they would (on the UCAS form there's an option to say that a student wishes to take a year out). If the student doesn't achieve the grades for their firm offer (and if the people running the course listed in the firm offer are not willing to revise their offer[7]) but achieves the grades for the insurance offer they will go on their insurance choice.

If a student grades are poorer than their insurance offer then either of the institutions they've listed as firm or insurance may offer them a different course. If there is nothing suitable from the institutions that the student expressed a preference in then there's the "Clearing System" where institutions with undersubscribed courses are matched with students who now have nowhere to go.

A-Level grades for everybody are publicly available.

Each university is different in the way it assesses and examines its students. However, the final grades are common:

Honours degrees:
1st -- best
2.i (pronounced "two one")
2.ii (pronounced "two two")
3rd

Non-honours degree:
Pass

[1] If you're exceptional bright you could get an "A*".
[2] C or higher is considered a "Level 2" qualification and D is a "Level 1" qualification.
[3] I'm not going to use the word "student" because the word "student" only refers to those who are in education voluntarily and, given the last Government's proposal, I'm not sure if that applies any more.
[4] Again there is also an "A*" grade.
[5] See Wikipedia for an expansion of the acronym and the history of UCAS.
[6] I'm not sure if those universities run those courses as it's only given as an example of how UCAS works.
[7] If, after all the others have been made, the administrators feel that the course is undersubscribed they may revise their offer downwards. After all, the interview day is a two way process and it's a chance for the potential student to decide if they wish to go to that place and/or on that course. There are usually campus tours and other events when a student goes for interview.

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Just to confuse things...

The system you have talked about refers to the English/Wales schools only. Possibly the Northern Irish ones too, I'm not 100% sure there. But Scotland runs on a different system with different exams.

It's also fairly rare for a student to be interviewed for a University place. The exceptions are very competitive courses, and certain institutions such as Oxford and Cambridge. The majority of students are accepted or rejected on the basis of their UCAS form, which includes a personal statement.

Whooops!

You're right. I forgot about Scotland.

I know they study "Scottish Highers" instead of A-Levels but I don't know how the two systems compare.

We're used to it ;)

Well the Highers are supposedly roughly equivalent to A-levels. But there is a general feeling that A-levels are "harder" (or something), so you tend to need better Higher results than A-levels if you wanted to go to an English university. So while someone might get in with and A and 2 Bs at A-level, they'd want 2 As and 2 Bs at Higher.

The Scottish Curriculum is changing yet again, so who knows how things will be in 3 or 4 years time when the first lot of "Curriculum for Excellence" pupils sit whatever they're calling the final school exams.

Curriculum for Excellence

I just looked it up. As I don't know what it's replacing, most of the things mentioned in a helpful article on the BBC News website didn't mean much to me. However, I did like the ideas: that children would be taught how to research and evaluate sources, and that a topic would be taught in several subjects around the same time.

New developments in education

It looks like the last Government didn't implement the proposal to make secondary education compulsory to 18. The current Government is proposing to make it compulsory to 17 next year and to 18 the year after.

The Government is also thinking of going back to a system similar to GCE O-Levels[1] and CSEs.

[1] I would take issue with what it says about grading. It used to be: A-C then fail.

Oh?

So what's the difference exactly?

Here they changed something yet again. When I took my exams (oh, so long ago :P) you could graduate with failgrades (one in your packet and one out of it, or something: so, if you took the science packet, you could for example fail the maths and something outside your packet, like Dutch language). (I don't think we've ever been allowed to fail in PE. You cannot go to the next grade if you fail PE!)
Then you could still pass with failgrades, but they couldn't be in Dutch language, maths, or English language (don't laugh, but the official exam exists of reading a text in English, then answering some questions about it, both in English and Dutch and some of them multiple choice. For those of you sniggering in the back - the text is usually somewhat easier than the texts Clare writes. Universities and colleges still complain about the English of the students, even after this rule.)
This year, students could only pass if they passed every single subject! It was expected that more students would fail, but this year more of them passed, presumably because all "bad" students have been held back a grade... (everyone I know who took the exams passed. Whoohoo!)

On a somewhat related note: I'm so glad I'm not in high school any more!

The difference

This is going back a few years so:

Under the old system, at 14 pupils were chosen to sit either O-Levels or CSE. To be honest I'm not sure how many grades the O-Levels had but I believe it was less than that stated in but they might be right.

The way the grades matched up were:

O-Level CSE

A
B
C 1
---------------------------------
D 2
E 3
U 4
U 5

Note: C or above was considered a pass.

In other words, at 14 pupils were told either they were acedemic enough to sit the O-Levels or they should not think of themselves as acedemically minded.

Supporters of the old system say that university and acedemic life isn't for everyone and, if we can identify those that are not acedemically minded, we could serve them better by diverting them into vocational qualifications. Others feel that the old system branded many children as "failing" before they were given a chance to prove themselves.

It should be said that we don't know what the Government is proposing. Everything we know comes from a leaked report from last week.

Here's more information on the debate.

Poor kids!

Here, they get "separated" at twelve. They have to take a test that determines wether you're academically minded, "somewhat" academically minded, or "not at all". Sadly enough, the test measures arithmetic, spelling, reading... it basically tests the education you've received, not what education would fit you!

Sorry, this always annoys me. A lot.

So now everyone takes the "academical" test? Here, at least you get different exams at the end of secondary school for every "school level" you've taken (so you go on to university, the test is harder than if you go on to college, etc).

Question...

... what exactly is a "lower sixth grade" and a "higher sixth grade"?
(yes, this comes from me reading A Casual Vacancy :P)
Are they in the same year, or what?
The kids were in "sets", which I took to mean they are in the same year, but get classes at different levels. Good? :P

Sixth form?

Does it say "sixth grade" or "sixth form"? I suspect it's the latter. The name doesn't make much sense these days but you have take a step back to about 20 years ago:

It used to be that, when you got to secondary school (11-18), the year numbers would start again (i.e. someone in the first year of secondary school would be in "Year 1").[1] The numbering even extended to high schools (13-18), where the first year at high school was "Year 3". After 16 children in England and Wales have the choice of whether to leave education after 16, stay at the school, go to a college, etc. Year 5 is the year during which most people turn 16.

The most popular option for post-16 education (if the student stays on at a school -- i.e. where there a younger children attending that instution as well) is to study A-Levels (broadly equivalent to the International Baccalaureate in level but with fewer subjects studied at once (typically 3)). A-Levels are designed to require 2 years of study from most students. "Lower sixth form" refers to the first year of sixth form in a school and "Upper sixth form" refers to the 2nd year of sixth form in a school.[2]

Even though the year numbers have changed (the first year of secondary school is now called "Year 7"), that part of post-16 education is stilled sixth form.

[1] The two systems are:
Primary/Secondary: Primary: 5-11, Scondary: 11-18
Lower/Middle/High: Lower 5-9, Middle: 9-13, High: 13-18
[2] Each college has its own way of referring to years.

British terms for educational institutions

In British English the terms "school", "college" and "university" have very specific meanings. We sometimes find it odd how interchangeable they are in American English. In British English:

"School": An institution that serves children who are still young enough to be in compulsory education. Schools may serve adults as well (e.g. I'm taking an evening class in a local school) but a school will educate children.

"University": An instution that serves students of post-compulsory age that has the power to award degrees.

"College": An institution that serves students of post-compulsory age that does not have the power to award degrees. Some colleges offer degrees (but a university would have to oversee the course). Most colleges are vocational in nature (i.e. offering courses on hair dressing, office skills, etc).

Yay!

So much clearer :) I'm thinking it must have been forms - I did learn to call them forms in high school (but not about the system), but on television (most shows here are American) they talk about grades...
There's the distinction of college, university etc here as well; but I think the colleges can give you titles as well.
If you get an engineering degree from a college, you get to put "ing" after your name, if you get it from university, you get "ir".

So... not quite education...

... but anyone on what they were saying (in Britain) about banning cornflakes and other sugary things directed at kids?
They said those things shouldn't consist of over 30% of sugar. I compared it to the cornflakes I usually eat - they are 74% carbs, 24% of them sugar.

Source

I know that there's been a lot about nutrition in schools recently but a few quick searches didn't turn up anything. Do you remember what your source was? If you do there may be a key word (e.g. the author of a report/proposal) that I can use to track down the story.

Found the story

One of my podcasts mentioned something about it being a proposal by the Labour Party (who are the current official opposition in Parliament). Using that, I found this. More on Kellogg's Frosties (as, like most products, they have different names in different jurisdictions). This is the Health Secretary's response (video).

So, now you'll get at least a little legislation...

... we don't have any yet :P
My friend brought "healthy" cookies to class to share (I brought chocolate), they were 50% sugar! (also, very tasty!)
There was some talk about getting legislation for these kinds of "healthy" foods here, but nothing happened.

I think I know how I confused you (among other things :P): what you call "cereal", we call "cornflakes", even though there's hardly ever any corn in it.

Maybe not

The opposition want legislation but the Govt are saying that they would only legislate if the food companies don't get their act together voluntarily. When pressed, see interview I linked to, the Health Secretary said that he would give the food companies approx 10 years to cut down (to put this in context: the maximum time between elections is 5 years).

For us, cereals covers corn flakes but also covers Weetabix, muesli, etc. Here's Wikipedia's list of breakfast cereal.

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