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Does anyone speak Dutch?

I seem to have a pretty international readership so I'm going to try to take advantage of you guys :D Next week (! -- it snuck up on me) I'm going to visit my sister, who is studying abroad at KU Leuven in Belgium. I'm going to have to feed myself while I'm there, of course, and I'm mostly vegan so I'd like to be careful about ingredients. Unfortunately, very little there is in English! Leuven is in the Dutch-speaking area of Belgium and we'll also be in Amsterdam for a couple of days, so Dutch is the most important language to know.

Briefly, this is what I'm looking for: A list of meat- and dairy-related words that might be found in ingredients lists for prepared foods in Dutch. French and German would also be helpful.

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I don't know any of the

I don't know any of the languages, but I speak google fluently *grins* Hope these links help you out!!

http://www.smartphrase.com/Dutch/du_food-drink_voc.shtml

http://french.about.com/library/begin/bl_meat.htm

http://www.ehow.com/how_2287202_say-meat-german.html

Well, I could help with

Well, I could help with German - but not with Dutch, I am sorry.

(Whereas Dutch seems to be a mix of both German and English)

But couldn't your sister help you out there?

Well, let me know if and what you need in German :)

mjkj

My sister

She doesn't know any Dutch (except for names of beers and stuff). She tried to get into Dutch classes but they wouldn't let her. She does know Yiddish, but apparently that hasn't helped!

I'm Dutch...

But I'm not that good at thinking up food-related stuff. So maybe someone can make a list of that :)
Can't think of a lot of meat-words. "meat" is "vlees", "pig" is "varken" but that one could be different in Belgium, "cow" is "koe" but I think it'll say "rund" or "runder", "chicken" is "kip" but it might be different.
Here are some milk-related words. I'll do the Dutch ones first and then whatever I remember of French, mjkj should do the German words :D something useful to remember is that the prepared dishes in English are usually inspired on the French names.

milk = melk = lait
dairy = zuivel = ?
butter = boter = beurre
yoghurt = yoghurt = yaourt
ice cream = (room) ijs = glace

Now, I'm counting on you people to think of more words to translate, then I'll read today's chapter and then I'll go to class :)

Thanks!

What you, mjkj, and KillerQueen gave should help... I think if a food has normal meat in it I would be able to tell from the packaging what it is though!

Here are some words that might be "hidden" ingredients that would help to know: lard, lactose, casein, natural flavor. I'll add more if I can remember any. I doubt I could come up with a comprehensive list, unfortunately--I just know in English which ingredients are non-vegan!

German and Babelfish

Ok, I hope that this will help:

but note for Dutch and French babelfish is used again...

English = German = Dutch = French
lard = Schweinefett/Schmalz = reuzel = saindoux
lactose = Laktose = lactose = lactose
casein = Kasein = caseïne = caséine
natural flavor = natürliches Aroma/natürliche Geschmack(s)stoffe = natuurlijk aroma = saveur normale
---------------------------------
grease = Fett
fat = Fett
vegetable fat = Pflanzenfett

I never heard of casein (neither in English nor in German...) before...

mjkj

Casein is the major protein

Casein is the major protein in milk. Anything with it is not vegan.

-random Biochem major

Have been wandering...

What is "natural flavour"? Best I could come up with was "natural taste"...
Okay, I could just google it, but where's the fun in that? :)

Natural flavoring

It's something added to processed food to give it flavor that doesn't exist in the other ingredients, or to enhance the flavor. That's as opposed to, I suppose, chemical or synthetic flavor (I can't remember if there's a specific word that's used), which would be made with chemicals. Natural flavors might be made with fruit juice or dairy or lard or just about anything, probably.

Thanks!

Don't think I've ever heard of that before. I'll look more careful at packages the next couple of weeks, to see if we even have that. Because now I'm curious :)

natural aroma :)

I would say natural aroma :)

or (as in my post above) natural flavor = natürliches Aroma/natürliche Geschmack(s)stoffe = natuurlijk aroma

(there it is even in Dutch) ;)

mjkj

Ohh!

But that sounds very evil. Maybe we can get laws against that!

Why?

What sounds evil about it? I think it would be hard to avoid flavorings with processed food. Microwave popcorn might have natural butter flavor so it tastes like butter without having to have real butter in it. Lemonade mix might have natural lemon flavor so it tastes like lemonade without real lemons. At least it's natural--better than putting extra chemicals in the food!

I think it is evil,

because they don't really say what exactly is in it. Now, for example, you won't eat it because there might be non-vegan stuff in it.
Or perhaps I misunderstood?

Oh

Yes, I suppose that's true. I would judge them on a case-by-case basis. It is annoying that they don't tell you what it's actually made of.

Lemon Flavour?

You have to admit, it does sound a bit dodgy - what is there in nature, apart from lemons, that tastes like lemons? Obviously I'd rather they didn't put chemical flavourings in food, but why not just use lemons or whatever and have done with it?! (Like you, I tend to judge on a case-by-case basis.)

German

meat = Fleisch
beef = Rindfleisch/Kalbfleisch
pork = Schweinefleisch
turkey = Truthahn/Pute
chicken = Huhn/Hühnchen/Hähnchen
ham = Schinken
bacon = Speck
egg = Ei
milk = Milch
cream = Sahne
butter = Butter
cheese = Käse
dairy = Milchprodukte
yogurt = Joghurt
ice (cream) = Eis
ice cream on water basis ("water ice") = Wassereis
pig = Schwein
cow = Kuh
horse = Pferd
fish = Fisch
tuna = Thunfisch
-------------------------
vegan = vegan
vegan (person) = Veganer
vegetarian = vegetarisch
vegetarian (person) = Vegetarier
salad = Salat
vegetables = Gemüse
fruit = Frucht/Früchte

good online dictionary English <-> German: http://dict.leo.org
and there is always babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.com or (same engine) http://www.systranet.com

same list with added Dutch and French via babelfish:

English = German = Dutch = French
meat = Fleisch = vlees = viande
beef = Rindfleisch/Kalbfleisch = rundvlees = boeuf
pork = Schweinefleisch = varkensvlees = porc
turkey = Truthahn/Pute = Turkije = dinde
chicken = Huhn/Hühnchen/Hähnchen = kip = poulet
ham = Schinken = ham = jambon
bacon = Speck = bacon = lard
egg = Ei = ei = oeuf
milk = Milch = melk = lait
cream = Sahne = room = crème
butter = Butter = boter = beurre
cheese = Käse = kaas = fromage
dairy = Milchprodukte = zuivelfabriek = laiterie
yogurt = Joghurt = yoghurt = yaourt
ice (cream) = Eis = ijs (room) = glace (crème)
ice cream on water basis ("water ice") = Wassereis = waterijs = « glace d'eau »
pig = Schwein = koe = porc
cow = Kuh = paard = vache
horse = Pferd = vissen = cheval
fish = Fisch = tonijn = poissons
tuna = Thunfisch = varken = thon
-----------------------------------------------------
vegan = vegan = veganist = végétalien
vegan (person) = Veganer = veganist = végétalien
vegetarian = vegetarisch = vegetariër = végétarien
vegetarian (person) = Vegetarier = vegetariër = végétarien
salad = Salat = salade = salade
vegetables = Gemüse = groenten = légumes
fruit = Frucht/Früchte = fruit = fruit

Corrected

Lol. Something went wrong there.

Corrected:

English = German = Dutch = French

turkey = Truthahn/Pute = kalkoen = dinde
ham = Schinken = ham (in Flemish Belgium more often: hesp) = jambon
bacon = Speck = spek = lard
cream = Sahne = (slag)room or crème frêche = crème
dairy = Milchprodukte = zuivel = laiterie
pig = Schwein = varken = porc
cow = Kuh = koe = vache
horse = Pferd = paard = cheval
fish = Fisch = vis(sen) = poissons
tuna = Thunfisch = tonijn = thon
-----------------------------------------------------
vegan = vegan = veganisch = végétalien
vegan (person) = Veganer = veganist = végétalien
vegetarian = vegetarisch = vegetarisch = végétarien
vegetarian (person) = Vegetarier = vegetariër = végétarien
salad = Salat = salade or slaatje = salade

Guess what, I'm Dutch, and I don't live too far from Leuven :)
And I'm a great fan.. Can I get a fan meeting xD?
Seriously, if you have ANY questions, I think you can find my email through my login, no?

Have fun in good ol Belgium :)

Thanks

Thank you. As I said it was babelfish-translation (except the German) so what do you expect from babelfish...? :)

mjkj

Right!

But I was still wondering about chicken. Do you call it "kip" or different? We sometimes even call turkey "kip"...

Heh.

Wow, I'm useless at languages, so I'm pretty amazed with all this!

J'ai un végétarien! No, wait, that's 'I have a vegetarian,' isn't it..?

Je suis un végétarien? ^^ Or is it une?

Bah, I give up. I'll leave the languages to the experts!

Go Vegans!

Yay power to the vegans :D There's a website that has some useful phrases in different languages: http://www.ivu.org/phrases/

The Dutch section isn't very big, unfortunately, but it might be useful to be able to say that you don't eat meat, or ask if they have vegetarian dishes! And if you travel to any of the other countries it might be useful. You seem to be pretty much covered with stuff you might find in ingredients!

I take it you'll be self-catering? Depending on how long you're there for, you might be able to get away with buying lots of fruit and veg, and herbs, spices and so on. You should be safe with those, and you can make loads of stuff. Obviously it's easier if you're cooking it yourself, but that doesn't mean you can't go to restaurants and cafés and such. A friend of mine who's vegan visited Amsterdam recently, she doesn't speak the language and still managed to eat out and find vegan food. She was only there for a couple of days though.

Thanks!

What a cool site! It even has Welsh. (Of course, it has pronunciation for Welsh, which I already know how to pronounce, but not for Dutch... though that's probably more phonetic.) That should help!

I'm only going to be there for a week so I probably won't do much self-catering. My sister loves to cook, though, so I'm sure she already has some food and knows where to get more. If I was staying there for a long time, I would probably have my own kitchen and wouldn't be worried!

Thanks for the help, everyone! I'm definitely a lot better off now :D

Cornish

lol it even has a few phrases in Cornish!

If it's only for a week and your sister cooks and has access to a kitchen, you should be fine :) The other thng is to take stuff with you - last year I was going to Norway (didn't make it in the end because the airports went on strike so I couldn't get to where my friend lived), and about half my bag was full of vegan goodies to complement the veg etc I could get there! :P Have fun!

milk in ...

I have a friend which is lactose intolerant. According to him a very broad range of products contains dried whey or cheese powder (and almost every junk food for added flavour), at least here in Austria. I know that organic food is far more likely to be vegan (but that is usually declared). I can't give much details as I cook most things myself and I'm no vegan.

Your dutch trip

In the case of Amsterdam, most speak people reasonably good English there.

Good to know

Thanks! I was mainly worried about reading, not speaking, though--my sister hasn't had any trouble with spoken communication.

Some more words...

Another few words...

English = German = Dutch = French
tofu = Tofu = tofu = tofu
soy = Soja = soja = soja
beans = Bohnen = bonen = haricots
peas = Erbsen = erwten = pois

French and Dutch again with babelfish...

mjkj

Tofu

So, I guess 'tofu' is very multicultural! Yum :)

I'm Dutch, so if you're still

I'm Dutch, so if you're still looking for specific words or anything, just ask :).

I used to be Jewish

and this doesn't exactly answer your question so much as suggest an end run around it:

The kashrut (Jewish dietary law) specifies:

  • almost all seafood is out
  • pork and venison are out
  • no meat in the same meal (or within 6 hours) of milk products
    • which rules out any cheese made with animal renin

...and that's just a small sample, and disregards more rules about how the cooking is done. For example, you can't cook or consume milk products in/with the same cookware/plates/cutlery as previously used for meat, even if dishwashered in the meantime.

Living in Germany, where the number of kosher restaurants nationwide is probably a single digit number, it's practically impossible to dine out without compromising on the laws. As a result, my dad never took mom out for dinner, and I wasn't allowed to eat food served at my school's cafeteria. Many are the salads I've returned because of the bacon bits. Life was a horrible drag.

As the title hints, I've since solved the problem by dropping pretense of faith. I've stopped artificially restricting myself for religious reasons, and I feel my life is much better as a result.

I can partly see where you're coming from: I deplore the horrible conditions to which livestock is subjected and voluntarily maintain a "mostly" vegetarian diet. But I still enjoy the occasional exception, and I don't worry about trace amounts of food by-products. Life is too short, I think.

Being a strict vegan sounds strenuous. Do you really want to have gray hair before you're 25?

Gray hair

That would be pretty cool, actually. I think I do have a silver somewhere. I don't think the rest of my hair is likely to turn gray in the next 2-3 years, though, and if it does it won't be from veganism. By far the most stressful part of being vegan is when people demand an explanation of my motives, obviously prepared to disbelieve me. Happens a lot.

I'm not sure what question you're answering with your explanation of Jewish dietary laws--no one has asked about them and I'm familiar with them, though my family never bothered to worry as we have been vegetarian since before I was born (and my dad, the Jewish one, is not particularly religious). If you're suggesting a work-around to my "problem" of being unsure about vegan food in Europe, you might note that a) I've been and come home and managed to eat vegan with little trouble while there and b) veganism is not a law I've been raised with and struggled against; I chose it for myself after examining my beliefs and the realities of modern animal husbandry. I'm glad you came to a conclusion that makes you happy and satisfied and hope you'll respect that I came to my own conclusion as well.

There's a parallel between

There's a parallel between eating kosher and eating vegan insofar as there are a bunch of foods to avoid. I related how this used to drive me crazy. Your question reminded me of some occasions where being picky about my eating spoiled for me what could have otherwise been some great holiday experiences.

I can easily get behind your thinking about animal husbandry, and if you're not experiencing a problem then there _is_ no problem. Sorry, it's a guy thing: We're always looking for problems to fix.

Enjoy your holidays!

What Clare Said

Also, I'm past 25 and don't have grey hair :P Being vegan really isn't that stressful. And hey, if something's vegan, it automatically means it's kosher - so everyone wins! lol

Well,

perhaps we can turn this into the weird food habits-topic?

A few days ago I cooked for some friends, all boys. Instead of the vegetables I had prepared, they ate the cookies that someone had left on the table... They did eat the baked potatoes that weren't completely done, and the fish that still was a little cold...

Weird?

Seems perfectly logical to me :D
I wouldn't want to eat partially cooked potatoes though.

They just weren't completely

They just weren't completely hot, but warm anyway... :P

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